Hoshikin kohaku for comment
  • HDCuHDCu November 2012
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    I would like to hear from others any comment good/bad with regards to this Hoshikin kohaku. Kindly be specific with regards to the following:
    1. body conformance
    2. skin quality
    3. color
    4. pattern
    5. show quality
    6. future potential?
    7. perceived value?( up to how much one is only willing to spend)

    This kohaku is 1 year and 7 month old at 56 cm female

    [IMG]http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u499/sacicu/4679feb7e1d68554c50679b07e681f38.jpg[/IMG]

    Post edited by HDCu at 2012-11-19 11:38:49 am
  • ShukriShukri November 2012
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    Bro HDCu,
    I like the ratios pertaining to the body conformation right now. Hopefully, the Sashi will consolidate. A little distracting is the open window on the large middle patch, and the presence of Beni on the tail fan.

    The koi is growing in length at the moment, and before long it will grow side way too.....
    A fish to watch, and it will be interesting when it grows side way....... Please update us in the future. Thanks for sharing.
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  • HDCuHDCu November 2012
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    Bro Shukri,

    This fish has a near pink beni and very good shiroji with very good shine and big potential for fukurin. Its open window is something wrong with the pattern as well as the beni patch on the tail but these attributes makes the koi a lot cheaper(3 x cheaper) as one without it.

    Do you think this kois beni will last? any jumbo potential?

    Post edited by HDCu at 2012-11-19 12:05:21 pm
  • ShukriShukri November 2012
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    Bro HDCu,
    From the body specifications, this is a Jumbo in the making. As this will be a big fish, a lot of feeding is not necessary. With the right mix of Wheat germ and color food will help maintain a strong deep Beni. This fish will have a strong body in the future.....
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  • HDCuHDCu November 2012
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    Bro Shukri,

    I have never fed wheat germ. any benefits from feeding wheatgerm as oppose to fish meal protein.

    Btw, I feed fd hi growth, fd miracle, fd color enhancers. I dunno if fd has wheat germ
    Post edited by HDCu at 2012-11-19 12:14:08 pm
  • ShukriShukri November 2012
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    I find wheat germ to be easy on the kois, and they bulk naturally.......

    Those food that you have mentioned are OK, but...........$$$

    At times, why don't you try Sakai floating or sinking wheat germ pellets.
    I can tell you that this is not bad..........
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  • FPSooFPSoo November 2012
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    wheatgerm is suitable for our hot weather and it is relatively easier for digestion. mix them with Hi Grow and Color...
  • lautslauts November 2012
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    Bros ,

    Something to think abt and consider ?? :-? :-?

    Below from Koi Bito by MikeM on use of wheatgerm.

    "The use of wheatgerm feed during low temperature periods has been advocated on the basis that it is more digestible. I've followed that teaching for many years. Based on what I've been reading lately, I do believe wheat is more easily digested by koi than many other grains. But, it seems that vegetable-based protein is not as easily (or thoroughly) digested as animal-based protein derived from aquatic life. So, I'm no longer confident in what I was taught about the benefits of using a wheatgerm food. The promotion of wheatgerm foods came out of Japan, I believe, so I'm not ready to discard what I was taught. The Japanese experience is very much about what works in practice. But, I'm left in doubt, which has led to me taking a different approach this year. "

    Latest ideas now is rather than feeding wheatgerm , continue high protein but reduce feeding qty to 25% or less than usual. They(US) are going into low temp winter fasting , can this be compared to our hot temp ? Both situation ( too cold or too hot) is abt slower digestion .

    More important : Vege protein is more difficult to digest than aquatic animal protein ?

    bro HDCu,
    i like the kohaku , based on current conf.( length, shoulders, tail tube) will grow big.

    ts
  • HDCuHDCu April 2013
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    As an update the above Hoshikin Kohaku is now at around 63cm(24 month old) with stronger beni and more consolidated sashi.

    I plan to get one or two higher quality hoshikin than the one above, heres my two choices. Both are just jumbo tosais now.

    [IMG]http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u499/sacicu/321b14b964d7f0ecd5cda77fef432529.jpg[/IMG]

    Among the two what would be your choice? and why?
  • gerrygerry April 2013
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    I'll go with the one on the right bro HDCu.... the white is whiter making the beni stand outr more... and the pattern is quite interesting... body is good too... and there's the pattern stop before the tail.... not sure what you call it (odome?)...

    So, yea... I'll go with the one on the right... :)

    Actually the one on the left is not bad too... LOL....
  • flamestar1986flamestar1986 April 2013
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    L3 the right koi
  • BthineshkumarBthineshkumar April 2013
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    A newbie opinion
    1) Right Koi: More finished koi, gud bulked body, better shirogi, finished beni

    2) Left Koi: Future koi, longer body, better tail tube, beni need to b improved but as it is tosai, should not b a problem to develop further (actually its easier to maintain this type of beni), shirogi is weak compared to the right but not bad. If its a female, bulking should not b a problem. Short tail fan

    Conclusion: IMHO, I like the fellow on the left considering: female? Gud eating behavior?
    Post edited by Bthineshkumar at 2013-04-25 08:55:26 pm
  • boykoiboykoi April 2013
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    hlo bro.nice hoshikins,

    for body, the koi has the length and ratio to go jumbo.as for pattern,not much my type on the large step 2nd beni and the windows.the head beni pattern too is tapered too low on the sides.but if skin is great,its a keeper to watch!

    id go for the koi on the right.but both koi to me isnt a large pattern fish,for which i preferably would like. as these koi grow,there will be more white on the sides,the pattern will shrunk considerably.ithink there are better ones i saw on this batch,even those with deep patterns up to the lateral line which are nice to watch when growing.but anyhow,all are just awesome hoshikins to get.
  • smokersmoker April 2013
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    Bro HDCu,
    Both are nice JT. Considering both are females, around same prices, and sizes don't differ much, i will go for the right one.

  • Kelvin86Kelvin86 April 2013
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    IMHO, I'll go for the left piece. More potential in future.
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  • snowlionsnowlion April 2013
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    Bro HDCu,

    I would take the left piece anytime.
    Reasons:
    1. Better Body Conformation for further lengthening.
    2. The mid section have not open up yet, thus this fish still can lengthen more.
    3. It has a nicer and longer face porportion.
    4. Softer Beni.
    5. Smaller tail fan. (but that little Beni spot may cause some concern)
    6. 2nd step not developed yet, at least one of the 2 Beni spots should merge with the big one.

    That is my two cents!

    Jerome Ng
  • HDCuHDCu April 2013
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    Lets keep the comments going. very interesting comments so far. Really hoping other hobbyist here with Hoshikin bloodlines in their pond would comment as well.
  • Kelvin86Kelvin86 April 2013
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    Hi all, this is my Hoshikin Kohaku at Yonsai currently. She is about 69cm, hopefully hits 70cm mark already. The growth rate is slightly slow and may be due to my limited space. Hope all bros and sis like her and thanks for viewing. ;)
    - Aquatic Kingdom -
    Post edited by Kelvin86 at 2013-04-26 09:41:02 am
  • gerrygerry April 2013
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    Nice one bro!! :X
  • lautslauts April 2013
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    Bro HDCu,

    Both pieces very nice. Right is more a NOW fish but for future i would go for left. If you follow Snaden's video on choosing for jumbos, you will notice :
    a) Right kois has very nice scallop kiwa , not so stable. The kiwa of 3rd dan towards the dorsal fin is of concern.
    b) Sashi not even on 2nd dan . Left koi has better and more even sashi, nothing more than 1scale deep.

    Body wise , i actually like the right koi , higher (hump) deeper body with stronger back bone . Hope the long body of left koi would develop later.
    i would go for left koi.

    ts
  • BthineshkumarBthineshkumar April 2013
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    Nice Kohaku bro but need to bulk more :-D
  • Kelvin86Kelvin86 April 2013
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    Yes bro. She was a shy eater and after added in two leader Mukash Ogon, turned a lot better already. Starting to have big appetite and hope will bulk up in two to three months.
    - Aquatic Kingdom -
  • grinkz01grinkz01 April 2013
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    both are almost similar..left koi having soft orange beni, long body and nicer eye appearance..

    right koi having maruzome kiwa but it's also looks like the beni scales may easily stretched (or even disappeared if growth to fast! ) during its growth...whiter and shine skin lustre...
    at moment if i have to choose i will draw a coin to help me decide....and i hope the coin give me left koi...longer body and softer beni with almost no sashi..
  • KekwaKekwa April 2013
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    Right one. Just look at the body and head so bulky.
  • gerrygerry April 2013
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    Oooo... one more thing.... notice the beni runs into the dorsal fin of the kohaku on the left while the kohaku on the right has perfectly white fins all round... another point goes to Kohaku on the right... :D
  • BthineshkumarBthineshkumar April 2013
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    I think by now sis gerry already printed the right kohaku, laminate and floating in the pond
    :-)) :-)) :-))
  • gerrygerry April 2013
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    Alamak... I kantoi this time... Bro TK, I enlarge it to around 70cm then print.... hehehehe... :-))
  • HDCuHDCu October 2013
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    Here an update of the Hoshikin. Now at 72 cm and 2 yrs and 5 months.

    [IMG]http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u499/sacicu/2013-10-26093249.png[/IMG]
  • niveknivek October 2013
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    Nice growth bro. She should put on girth when she past sansai.
  • HDCuHDCu November 2014
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    After another year, the hoshikin has now reached 77cm(3 y.o. and 5 mos). Hopefully next october hope to reach 82cm and further bulking up. So far I have now 3 gosanke out of 11 koi reach 77cm(same age) and hope to attain jumbo(85cm) in 2 more years.

    Heres is close up sample of its beni quality.She has developed very nice kado gins to complement her nice beni. She has developed good shoulders but since shes from a Hoshikin bloodline, she will not attain the bulkiness of others.


    [URL=http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/sacicu/media/2014-11-03163530.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u499/sacicu/2014-11-03163530.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
    Post edited by HDCu at 2014-11-03 04:47:25 pm
  • waterwater November 2014
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    This picture taken in 2012 when this Hoshikin was a 2 year, coming to 3 years at about 55++. Don't have latest picture now but certainly have grown to close to maybe 75 to 80cm now. Body bulk will come very late for Hoshikin, if it ever comes. I will try to take some latest picture when I am free. It is true that there are less Hoshikin with bulky body but it is not a case of never never. There are fewer and harder to find... but not a case of none.

    www.koianswers.com/discussion/download/16387/Maydownload 014.jpg
  • YipmYipm November 2014
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    Bro Choy, when are you going to invite me to see your 'State of the Art' pond?
  • waterwater November 2014
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    Anytime... but my humble simple pond nothing worth mentioning.
  • waterwater November 2014
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    Back to the Hoshikin... my estimate now about 82 to 85cm ... Sorry for the lousy pictures using my cellphone and struggling with the moving water.. and the lighting is poor

    www.koianswers.com/discussion/download/16389/hoshikin4.jpg
  • KekwaKekwa November 2014
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    Even in the blurrish water can see she is a real beauty. Well done for upkeeping her to pass the 80cm mark!
    Post edited by Kekwa at 2014-11-06 11:22:29 am
  • BthineshkumarBthineshkumar November 2014
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    =D> L3
  • waterwater November 2014
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    Thank you. Hope the girth will open up and be the far and inbetween Hoshikin and not the many which remain less bulky. I don't know why the water turns out in the photo to be so blurry. Let's see if this one does a better job... I am lousy with taking pictures.. let alone moving targets..
    www.koianswers.com/discussion/download/16395/hoshikin4.1.jpg


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