Hikari and Kokusai fish food which one you prefer !
  • dennis68dennis68 October 2014
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    i am using kokusai High grow for about 1 year , now just change to Hikari High grow just want to see any difference ! any comment for this 2 brand ? which you prefer ?
  • BthineshkumarBthineshkumar October 2014
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    Hi Bro, both are equally gud. There is no definite answer, it depends from individual koi. Some koi thrive from one brand and some with others. So you have to try and find out your self. Gud luck :)
  • megatronmegatron October 2014
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    The best is to mix few types/brands concurrently.
    Don't ask me why!!!
  • BthineshkumarBthineshkumar October 2014
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    Agree, i'm using few types and mix them based on my needs such as

    1) WG+ Hi grow
    2) WG + color
    3) Only WG
    4) Only Hi grow
    5) Sinking WG
    etc etc etc :-))
  • Md+FahamiMd Fahami November 2014
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    How much is the different in term of $$$?
  • BthineshkumarBthineshkumar November 2014
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    Not much difference bro. It's not about the money, it's what preferred by your koi and the best suits them well

    :)
  • frostbitezfrostbitez November 2014
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    sorry for oot
    hisilk kenkokanri is the best for me
  • dennis68dennis68 November 2014
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    Yes not about money but I want quality ! Yes I can see the difference after two month I am using the brand H .
  • Md+FahamiMd Fahami November 2014
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    Definitely agreed bros... As a nubis I am using Hikari Gold for colour and a Taiwan brand that I cant remember for growth..
    My fish seem doing pretty well...
  • grinkz01grinkz01 November 2014
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  • JamesJames November 2014
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    I think koi food has a vital role to play in our grooming of koi. However, it is also easily mistaken between the effect of koi food and the koi's natural genetic quality. The best benchmark to good food is what effect it is deemed to achieve, how quickly it achieves this and what are the long term effects. The answer to this is never simple, but it is true that what works in 1 pond might not in another.

    I benchmark the best of koi food to be one that can achieve what another cannot. For example, if you have a particular koi whose beni never seems to develop, and the food you feed suddenly shows you an impact, then that to me is a great colour food.
  • lautslauts November 2014
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    Well said James , thats why good idea to try many food and feeding mix. To cater to your need to secure beni , shiroji etc. Also to notice the environment , too much waste and water clarity for one, after feeding.

    ts
  • niveknivek November 2014
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    I feed whatever bro TK is feeding :-))
  • BthineshkumarBthineshkumar November 2014
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    :-)) :-))
  • JamesJames November 2014
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    Honestly I m not too worried about temporary murky water from feeding especially when pond is ocerstock which is the case for most hobbyist.
  • lautslauts November 2014
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    No , not the temporary murky from fines that clears within an hour but rather murky water that lingers. Possibly due to increase coliforms in water column as result from feed.

    ts
  • frostbitezfrostbitez November 2014
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    may i share the result of using kenkokanri hisilk here?
  • dennis68dennis68 November 2014
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    Sure why not
  • frostbitezfrostbitez November 2014
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    ok than,
    have sold all my old fish due pond renovation 4 months ago
    so i bought small fishes for keeping contest after

    this was the fish condition just before they went to pond after renovation
    @ end of july 14
    http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x281/hanjayasalim/a_zpsd432a8f7.jpg

    forgot to measure the size of showas and right shiro,
    but the ochiba was around 38cm and tancho was around 26cm at that time
    3 of them already sold to my fellow koikichi friend (ochiba, shiro on the left and kohaku)

    showa ueno
    sept 14 @35cm
    http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x281/hanjayasalim/showa_zps04666511.jpg
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_DNPRDVCR8
    will bowl again next month

    shiro omo
    april 14
    http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj560/joedimas_sudibyo/gosanke%20shiro/1f5135e8-a625-42e0-a143-6993a6fda534_zpsdd218cf5.jpg
    sept 14 @38cm
    http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x281/hanjayasalim/shiro_zpsecbf9af5.jpg
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyG1LD71ThQ
    end of oct @43 cm
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIrf_1DNSuY
    10 day ago @45.5 cm
    http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x281/hanjayasalim/omosako45_zpsefb2a066.jpg

    tancho taniguchi
    july @26cm
    http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x281/hanjayasalim/tanchotani_zps1fb60596.jpg
    sept @40cm
    http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x281/hanjayasalim/tancho_zpscd4d4754.jpg
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-pkB-Z44yo
    10 days ago @48cm
    http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x281/hanjayasalim/tani48_zps620aaa29.jpg
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW-A_Enzkz8

    all of them was bought @less than U$250 :)


    Post edited by frostbitez at 2014-11-19 10:17:50 pm
  • frostbitezfrostbitez November 2014
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    i fed all my kois with kenkokanri hisilk21 never use colour food for almost a year
  • JamesJames November 2014
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    Kenkokanri is undoubtedly good koi food.... but if you are thinking you don't need colour food, that is probably because you are not having a major showa collection like most other hobbyists.
  • ikankoikauikankoikau November 2014
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    Bro, obviously good result bro. (Y)
  • dennis68dennis68 November 2014
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    Bro Frost you feed how many time per day ?
    Post edited by dennis68 at 2014-11-20 12:07:56 am
  • frostbitezfrostbitez November 2014
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    thx bro

    i feed them 6 times a day from 6 am till 5 pm

    yes it was vary result for beni in each pond, but if your pond has enough sunlight (there will be moss algae for spirulina), low temp (under 27c) and you can maintain the grow of fish that has beni than i dont think there will be problem

    for me the hardest part of maintain the growth of small size koi (under 50cm), 50cm is a safe point for me from there almost no problem not using colour food
    i had 3 kohaku, 3 showa, 1 hiutsuri, 1 sanke in my 12 fishes population and had no problem with beni for all of them :)

    kohaku dainichi
    @39cm aug
    http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x281/hanjayasalim/kohaku_zps5dc12cb7.jpg
    @45cm sept
    http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x281/hanjayasalim/Mobile%20Uploads/kohakudainichi_zps937898f8.jpg
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=2anawMcM3Ug

    kohaku sakai
    kept from 17cm to 49cm for around 6months, still 11 months
    @17cm
    http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x281/hanjayasalim/duotosai1_zps2a625715.jpg
    @40cm
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=61Cvj34wMRw
    @50cm
    http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x281/hanjayasalim/i1_zps59417525.jpg
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpERV09E5IM

    no problem with beni i guess?

  • JamesJames November 2014
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    Bro Frost, looks very good. Share with us some showas pls that was groomed from tosai. Your water pH?
  • lautslauts November 2014
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    Wow, bro frostbitez

    Nice body on most of your kois. The omosako shiro reminds me of Daikon , superb. I have not use kenkokanri H, will give it a try now (Y) . Whats the size and depth of your pond ?

    thanks
    ts
  • BthineshkumarBthineshkumar November 2014
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    Looking really gud. =D>

    Now everyone will b rushing to order Kenkokanri Hi-Silk :-)) :-))
  • lautslauts November 2014
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    Getting 2 bags while promo lasts (Y), still very expensive. the thread title is misleading now :-D :-D

    ts
  • JamesJames November 2014
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    Kenko definitely has its pros, but I am testing another food that is showing greater results, especially on colour, bulk and growth.
  • Kelvin86Kelvin86 November 2014
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    Wonder besides Aquagold in Johor brings in FD, where can we find them? Seems hard and Bro @James, mind to share what feed you are using showing better and greater results at the moment? Hehehe...
    - Aquatic Kingdom -
  • jimlimjimlim November 2014
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    Bro, Bthineshkumar

    Looking really gud.

    Now everyone will b rushing to order Kenkokanri Hi-Silk


    :)>- ;-)

    hahahahah ... make sense !
  • jimlimjimlim November 2014
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    Superb growth ! bro, frostbitez
    =D>
  • niveknivek November 2014
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    Wow very nice (Y)
  • frostbitezfrostbitez November 2014
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    really sorry if this got in wrong direction

    @bro james
    showas haven't been my fave koi...dont know why i haven't got any luck with showas
    but this was some of them

    showa isa
    @around 30cm forgot but i got her as tosai (just this pic i got when she was tosai sorry for my foot)
    http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x281/hanjayasalim/kenalan_zps788207a9.jpg
    @around 48cm
    http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x281/hanjayasalim/Mobile%20Uploads/si1_zps7e892eaf.jpg
    @61cm later sold her @63 cm in her ake sansai age
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh5bm9bh0s4

    showa dainichi
    got her @sept almost same time as my dainichi kohaku @38cm sorry no photos
    @end of oct 48cm
    http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x281/hanjayasalim/dainichi48_zpsfa4d3cf5.jpg
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iadz66ZT1_o
    2 weeks later @52cm (5 days ago...notice anything?)
    http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x281/hanjayasalim/20141116_070555_zps8a751d68.jpg

    and this is the 26mio yen showa hahaha
    http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv151/abiserpong/Apresiasi/Babyblackdragon.jpg

    @all fellow koikichi
    thx for thumb up

    my pond pH is around 7.5-7.8, volume about 10.5tons, filtration about 2.5tons, depth at 1.5-1.6m

    in my opinion kenkokanri most pros are not body (any koi food with enough amount protein will do the same), but how it makes skin lustre looks good
    been using saki hikari, marubeni koi food, ogata koi food, fd, nozomi, sakai but none of them give good body and the skin at same time, but maybe that just me :">
    i haven't use kokusai though :-D
    Post edited by frostbitez at 2014-11-20 09:27:36 pm
  • lautslauts November 2014
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    Bro Frostbitez,

    We read how often but how much a day do you feed? Possible est % by koi weight pls. That's a long list of good feed maybe all that is available in market including some very good one ( read pricey).
    I have used silkworm pupae for tosais and would agreed on skin lustre and shine effect. A bit messy as quite a lot of undigested shell. Sadly product not available now. This uses powder form of silkworm right?

    thanks
    ts
  • niveknivek November 2014
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    Before everyone jumps on the bandwagon and assumes that hisilk will work wonders on commercial grade kois, we need to take a step back and see that bro frostbitez kois are by no means entry level even at tosais. :)
  • lautslauts November 2014
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    Bro Kevin,

    My initial thought too but do look at Bro Frost earlier post with pict and mentioned price not above US250. The shiro , tancho and showa before and after looks amazing. We don't know the set up , water etc but we can try the feed. (Y)

    ts
  • frostbitezfrostbitez November 2014
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    @bro lauts
    I feed them about 250-300grams for a day while there was 11kois around 45-50cm
    Yes i think kenkokanri give hisilk name because of it using silk worm pupae powder
    Water parameter are okay i guess...daily waterchange about 7%
    But yeah, u can give it a try maybe for a month or couple to see the difference

    @bro kevin
    Yes some of my koi are not cheap if you mean by that
    thats why i only post not so expensive koi (first 3 koi)...but others was not too expensive for that quality i guess (since they are dainichis :"> )
    First 3 koi are less than U$250...even the shiro cost me less than U$100

    nobody seem to see whats wrong with last pic of my showa too
    :-D
  • JamesJames November 2014
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    There are good kois within commercial grade too. Question is can u spot them? And some can spot better than others. Similarly even hi q kois, there are those that are better. Again question of knowing what to spot for.
  • lautslauts November 2014
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    Based on my calc , ave weight abt 1.8kg per fish so total abt 20kg. At ave 280g feeding thats 1.4% per day. That's a lot by tropical weather std. i feed abt 0.3% to 0.7% depend upon my aim to bulk or not. Bro HDCu feeds abt 0.5% if i read correct. In Japan, feeding during the short window goes even to 2.5%.
    Do you use chiller bro Frost?

    I think the minute you buy tosai ( available from local dealers) you are into so called commercial grade. Anything better will be kept jumbo tosai or later as nisai .

    ts
  • d88koid88koi November 2014
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    I notice that the right pectoral fin is missing , Hope its only a photo shot error??
  • JamesJames November 2014
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    Bro TS, nisai also plenty commercial grade. Tosai also many premium grade. To generalise means this hobby determined by how much $$$ you have. No fun le. This hobby about dreaming. But dreaming realistically. :-))
  • BthineshkumarBthineshkumar November 2014
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    :-)) :-))
    Based on the info given, looks like i'm overfeeding wo :-ss
  • frostbitezfrostbitez November 2014
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    Post edited by frostbitez at 2014-11-21 07:08:40 pm
  • Md+FahamiMd Fahami December 2014
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    Hi Bro Frostbitez,
    I am almost running out of my Koi Food.
    Do you know any distributor of Kenkokanri hi silk in KL?
    I would love to go and check it out.
    Based on En Google, I only saw the one in Penang..
    If there is none, then I am sticking with my Hikari..

    Thanks
  • BthineshkumarBthineshkumar December 2014
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    Bro,

    Yamakoshi Tropicana has Kenkokanri Hi silk. Check it out. Cheers
  • JamesJames December 2014
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    Bro Frost, to attach a value to commercial valued tosai is somewhat challenging. At tosai selection, there can sometimes be jewels hidden amongst tateshitas, especially showa. It all goes to picking knowledge and later grooming. I think you have proven the latter is no issue to you at all. As for the former, I see you have a decent collection too.
  • Md+FahamiMd Fahami December 2014
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    Thanks bro TK!
    Will check out later today..
  • Md+FahamiMd Fahami February 2016
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    Hi all,
    Anybody know where can I source for Kenkokanri Hi Silk, been using 2 bags of it since last year.. I can say that the results are marvelous..
    Too bad that Yamakoshi is yet to replenish their stock.
    Anyone have any idea where I can get the food aside from Yamakoshi?

    Thanks
  • Jason_SGJason_SG February 2016
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    awesome result there.
    Post edited by Jason_SG at 2016-02-17 04:50:33 pm


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