Shinkokai Malaysia 2011 Koi Show, 8 & 9th January at Awana Genting Highlands
  • Shinkokai+MalaysiaShinkokai Malaysia October 2010
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    Dear fellow koi kichis,

    We are proud to announce that the 1st Shinkokai Malaysia Koi Show 2011 will be held at Awana Genting Highlands on the 8th and 9th January 2011.

    The top breeders from Japan will be here for this special event as our distinguished judges. Please mark this date and come to this event with your families and friends. We are sure this would be an event to remember with exciting prizes and special categories. And you can also expect a great auction with special fishes to be held on the 9th Jan 2011.

    We are very pleased to be have the support of all the top dealers in Malaysia listed below:

    Premier Supporting Dealer:
    Yamakoshi Mura

    Supporting Dealers:
    Arowana Aquarium
    Atarikoi
    Cheras Aquarium
    Gosanke Koi
    Jap Carps
    Kepong Koi
    Wong Koi Centre

    Please kindly note that all entries will be via the above 8 supporting dealers only for the 1st Shinkokai Malaysia show. Kindly contact them for the bookings of your tanks now.

    We will be posting the rules and regulations along with other information of the show very shortly.

    Please start preparing your kois for a truly grand event in the Highest Koi Show in Malaysia!

    See you there.

    Shinkokai Malaysia

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  • AndySittAndySitt October 2010
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    Well less than 3 months to go... I heard there is nice trophy and cheap tanks... Must start buying show quality fishes to beat Raymond Hew's quality & quantity...
  • JamesJames October 2010
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    andy, you have a large collection too.... so large u forgot u had koi in seijuro remember...
  • AndySittAndySitt October 2010
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    Well just that I dont have a decent size pond and I keep my fish with fellow kichis everywhere... Sometimes forgot I bought that fish.. Also Seijuro was always Suzusei for me so I got confused.. But I will go full swing this round.. Atleast I have 1 year koi keeping experience to test my skills..
  • JamesJames October 2010
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    well your seijuro showa is really beautiful.. that compelled me to join the grow out...thinking of maybe getting 10 instead of 5 too...
  • ShukriShukri October 2010
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    That's the way to go James......
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  • JamesJames October 2010
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    Bro Shukri, don't la encourage too much.... too much koi already... and it's everywhere.... like having affairs producing offsprings i am not conscious about!!! hahaha
  • ShukriShukri October 2010
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    Don't you know I am the KING of CUCUK..........
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  • AndySittAndySitt October 2010
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    So bro Shukri how many tanks you gonna book? Send all your fishes to Genting?
  • ShukriShukri October 2010
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    Bro Shinkokai, when Teksit or Tepsit (I can't spell his name) was the owner of that Dainichi Kohaku, it didn't win the AJKS, but when he sold it to a Japs, he won the AJKS GC.........humm! sometimes I wonder, or could it be a coincidence.
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  • AndySittAndySitt October 2010
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    Well that fish grew 9cm that year and thus makes the difference.. Also Narita groomed the fish well I am sure...
  • etanoetano October 2010
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    The owner is a well respected Kato san, elderly but still a big fan of Nishikigoi in Japan. Must try to see his collection one day.
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  • nocturnalnocturnal October 2010
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    i was fortunate to get a chance to see his harvest....
    in niigata-nishikigoi.com! hehehe...

    here the link
    http://niigata-nishikigoi.com/node/577

    there's also day two coverage. many thanx to Mark Gardner for bringing us koi kakis plenty of coverage from Niigata.
    thanx again Bro Mark!

    Masao Kato san has a big collection of high Q kois, he's like Abang David Soon of
    Japan ;-) ;-) ;-)

    sorry for the side track Abg Sam, told u at NHA show i'll be there to help out at 1st Malaysia Shinkokai Show. will keep my promise :-)
    ALL THE BEST FOR THE SHOW!!!!
    Post edited by nocturnal at 2010-10-15 03:25:04 pm
  • bibikoibibikoi October 2010
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    Bro Adik,

    thank you so much for your kind help! you were one of the main people ensuring the success of the singapore show then and we'd be honored to have you on board the team! :)

    Also a big thanks to Bros Daniel Lee, Aaron Goh, KY Sim and Shukri for also offering their experience to ensure the success for the show! The whole team is busy making the final arrangements now and will be posting more details soon.

    Give you guys a sneak preview... we'll be having 12bu, 15bu, 20bu and also 25 bu categories at Shinkokai Malaysia show. So, go find your beautiful tosais now.

    and also we're having 19 Best in Variety prizes.... so if you find your special variety kois at this new koi season, better grab it and show it to Malaysia! :)
  • ShukriShukri October 2010
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    Bro Sam,
    We will do what we can i.e. to off load some of the tasks from you. Especially that this is the first of such an event in Malaysia. With the comrade of the Koi Community here, I am sure the support will be there to ensure SUCCESS for the 1st Shinkokai Malaysia Show.
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  • AaronGohAaronGoh October 2010
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    Wah, not much time left to prepare our koi for the show, right time for koi hunting now, with all the baby categories, every one can join the fun of koi show now. I can foreseen a lot of new faces will pop up for the 1st Shinkokai Malaysia Show.
    Aaron
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  • ShukriShukri October 2010
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    Aiyoooo, now scared already la.........the Klang kakis will BORONG every potential fingerlings in the Klang valley.........
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    Post edited by Shukri at 2010-10-16 12:42:30 am
  • JamesJames October 2010
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    Bro Aaron, remember to give chance to newbies o.... mention your name only all koi kichi tremble!!!
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  • markgardnermarkgardner October 2010
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    Would love to attend this, Malaysia always a great place to visit. Will have to see if I can make it.
  • bibikoibibikoi October 2010
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    Hey Mark!

    Yes, you wouldn't want to miss this! :) after Shinkokai Malaysia, you got a couple of weeks to get your energy back before Shinkokai Japan... so start making your flight bookings now!

    See you then!
    Sam
    Post edited by Shukri at 2010-10-16 10:27:05 am
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  • Shinkokai+MalaysiaShinkokai Malaysia October 2010
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    The following 19 categories will be included for BEST IN VARIETY prizes at the 1st Shinkokai Malaysia Koi Show 2011

    We wish everyone happy fish hunting in this new koi season! :)


    1) Kohaku

    2) Taisho Sanshoku

    3) Showa Sanshoku

    4) Utsurimono

    5) Hikari Mujimono

    6) Hikari Moyomono

    7) Asagi

    8) Shusui

    9) Goshiki

    10) Kawarigoi

    11) A Ginrin (Kohaku, Sanke, Showa)

    12) B Ginrin (the others)

    13) Bekko

    14) Hikari Utsuri

    15) Tancho

    16) Koromo

    17) Doitsu (except from Shusui, Hikarimono, and Kumonryu)

    18) Kujaku

    19) Kumonryu
  • AndySittAndySitt October 2010
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    Does that mean say for Kohaku.. the winner of 12bu to over 80bu will stand the chance to win the Best of Variety for Kohaku?
  • PatrickChongPatrickChong October 2010
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    ..............
    Post edited by PatrickChong at 2010-10-16 02:08:18 pm
  • BenjaminGohBenjaminGoh October 2010
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    *speechless*
  • bibikoibibikoi October 2010
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  • BenjaminGohBenjaminGoh October 2010
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    Need to get more fish la! That's why!
    Haha.. So many prizes @.@
  • Shinkokai+MalaysiaShinkokai Malaysia October 2010
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  • BenjaminGohBenjaminGoh October 2010
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    Wah.. Luckily i got more than 5 kumonryu.. xD
    More fish more chance. Haha
    Post edited by BenjaminGoh at 2010-10-16 02:41:13 pm
  • bibikoibibikoi October 2010
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    hahahaa.. Ben, you better ask your dad to buy the house next door so you can keep more of your upcoming trophies! :p
  • M_ZAINM_ZAIN October 2010
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    Jumbo Ben we also got leh.....
    Regards,

    M. Zain
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  • M_ZAINM_ZAIN October 2010
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    Wah Sam.....my comments are.....Hmmmmmmm.....^_^
    Regards,

    M. Zain
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  • BenjaminGohBenjaminGoh October 2010
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  • Shinkokai+MalaysiaShinkokai Malaysia October 2010
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    Fellow Koi Hobbyist,

    Running a koi show is never easy and we need all the help we can to make this event a success. As with any koi shows, volunteers are essential to get the show going smoothly. We hope to get support from fellow koi kichis to help us during the show this January. Please list your interest to assist us for the show.

    Lets make this event a success and to learn from the breeders. We thank you in advance.

    1)
    2)
    3)
    4)
    5)
  • nocturnalnocturnal October 2010
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    LIST OF VOLUNTEERS -

    1) adik
    2)
    3)
    4)
    5)
  • megatronmegatron October 2010
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    LIST OF VOLUNTEERS -

    1) adik
    2) Abang Daniel Chew
    3)
    4)
    5)

    Look like I shall not miss it.
    Don't ask me why!!!
  • AndySittAndySitt October 2010
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    1) adik
    2) Abang Daniel Chew
    3) ah boy Andy Sitt
    4)
    5)
  • etanoetano October 2010
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    Wow 12bu, I think it's not easy. Whatever fingerlings you obtain now better don't let it grow otherwise you start breeding your koi now. Interesting show...
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  • M_ZAINM_ZAIN October 2010
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    1) adik
    2) Abang Daniel Chew
    3) ah boy Andy Sitt
    4)Tosai Tategoi Ben. xD
    5) Dr. & Ir....



    Regards,

    M. Zain
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  • Denn7Denn7 October 2010
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    1) adik
    2) Abang Daniel Chew
    3) ah boy Andy Sitt
    4)Tosai Tategoi Ben. xD
    5) Dr. & Ir....
    6) Nothing-to-show-san Denning
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  • ShukriShukri October 2010
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    1) adik
    2) Abang Daniel Chew
    3) ah boy Andy Sitt
    4)Tosai Tategoi Ben. xD
    5) Dr. & Ir....
    6) Tan Sri Denning - nothing to show san
    7) Shukri Saad
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    Post edited by Shukri at 2010-10-17 09:52:25 am
  • qsteeqstee October 2010
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    1) adik
    2) Abang Daniel Chew
    3) ah boy Andy Sitt
    4)Tosai Tategoi Ben. xD
    5) Dr. & Ir....
    6) Tan Sri Denning - nothing to show san
    7) Shukri Saad
    8) Robert
  • BenjaminGohBenjaminGoh October 2010
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    Uncle Shukri. Must have nickname la.. xD
    Post edited by BenjaminGoh at 2010-10-17 11:09:40 am
  • ShukriShukri October 2010
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    1) adik
    2) Abang Daniel Chew
    3) ah boy Andy Sitt
    4)Tosai Tategoi Ben. xD
    5) Dr. & Ir....
    6) Tan Sri Denning - nothing to show san
    7) Shukri Saad - 362236
    8) Robert
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  • JamesJames October 2010
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    1) adik
    2) Abang Daniel Chew
    3) ah boy Andy Sitt
    4)Tosai Tategoi Ben. xD
    5) Dr. & Ir....
    6) James (would like to help, but not sure how much help I can be)
  • snowlionsnowlion October 2010
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  • AndySittAndySitt October 2010
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    Tan Sri, winning is not difficult.. Ask Tosai Ben to help you choose some fish.. Guaranty will win or money back from his pocket money..

    1) adik
    2) Abang Daniel Chew
    3) ah boy Andy Sitt
    4)Tosai Tategoi Ben. xD
    5) Dr. & Ir....
    6) Tan Sri Denning - nothing to show san
    7) Shukri Saad - 362236
    8) Robert
    9) James
    10) Aaron
  • DanleeDanlee October 2010
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    1) adik
    2) Abang Daniel Chew
    3) ah boy Andy Sitt
    4)Tosai Tategoi Ben. xD
    5) Dr. & Ir....
    6) Tan Sri Denning - nothing to show san
    7) Shukri Saad - 362236
    8) Robert
    9) James
    10) Aaron
    11) Daniel Lee
  • Shinkokai+MalaysiaShinkokai Malaysia October 2010
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    Dear fellow kichi,

    Attached is the rules and regulation for the Shinkokai Malaysia 2011 Show. Its time to plan..
  • ShukriShukri October 2010
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    Bro,
    In the attachment, I believe you meant 'COMPRISE' but you typed 'COMPROMISE', which meant two different thing. A typo error.........
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    Post edited by Shukri at 2010-10-18 02:16:23 am
  • ShukriShukri October 2010
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    Is it correct that Shiro Bekko will be under Utsurimono?
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  • ShukriShukri October 2010
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    If a person booked the smallest tank, he can have a combination of 12 fishes as per the example given?
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  • M_ZAINM_ZAIN October 2010
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    1) adik
    2) Abang Daniel Chew
    3) ah boy Andy Sitt
    4)Tosai Tategoi Ben. xD
    5) Dr. & Ir....
    6) Tan Sri Denning - nothing to show san
    7) Shukri Saad - 362236
    8) Robert
    9) James
    10) Aaron
    11) Daniel Lee
    12) Alan Yap & Wife ( Dr.&.Ir's friend - they help in MKS & Mini KS, Penang )


    Regards,

    M. Zain
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  • ShukriShukri October 2010
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    Dr. I know who..........who is Ir? Is it Irwan Rafidee ke? Or Isyak Rabuan? hehehe
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  • M_ZAINM_ZAIN October 2010
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    Could be Balachi kut......^_^
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  • AndySittAndySitt October 2010
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    Wah wife also coming.. then I must bring along my girlfriends.. Sam can help bring along a few supermodel girlfriends for us ?? So what are we volunteering to do?? hmmm...
  • koifankoifan October 2010
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    1) adik
    2) Abang Daniel Chew
    3) ah boy Andy Sitt
    4)Tosai Tategoi Ben. xD
    5) Dr. & Ir....
    6) Tan Sri Denning - nothing to show san
    7) Shukri Saad - 362236
    8) Robert
    9) James
    10) Aaron
    11) Daniel Lee
    12) Alan Yap & Wife ( Dr.&.Ir's friend - they help in MKS & Mini KS, Penang )
    13) Seng Choon
  • Shinkokai+MalaysiaShinkokai Malaysia October 2010
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    Sorry for the typo mistake.. Here is the amended version:

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  • M_ZAINM_ZAIN October 2010
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    ya wor.....don't mind you bring some China Dolls leh...Bro Andy.

    Alan Yap's wife was very helpful during the Mini Koi Show in Penang leh...
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  • ShukriShukri October 2010
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  • BenjaminGohBenjaminGoh October 2010
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  • AndySittAndySitt October 2010
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    ha ha china doll can't understand you lah.. local supermodels can arrange.. but 36c enough ? patricks contact all 39f .. after no strength to bench fish..
  • bibikoibibikoi October 2010
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    nolah... after 'kiap peen' the fishes... ahhaha...
  • M_ZAINM_ZAIN October 2010
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    Local Expensive wor......China Dolls cheaper mah....

    Hmmmm.....Jumbo Tosai Ben,...this is Adult Talk no Child Play leh...Close your Eyes....hehehehe
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  • AndySittAndySitt October 2010
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    bro zain no problem.. sam "pau" .. tax deductible ..
  • AaronGohAaronGoh October 2010
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    6 Tancho
    Tancho Kohaku, Tancho Sanke, Tancho Showa, Doitsu Tancho, including Ginrin
    Tancho
    7 Hikari
    Doitsu, Yamabuki, Purachina, Kin Matsuba, Gin Matsuba, Ginginrin Hariwake,
    Hariwake Matsuba, Yamatonishiki, Kujaku, Gin Shiro Bekko, Sakura Ogon,
    Platinum Kohaku, Kikusui, Ginsui, Shockhikubai, Kin Showa, Kin Ki Utsuri, Ginshiro,
    Kin Hi Utsuri



    Q. on 6. Tancho
    Will tancho kujaku , tancho goshiki & tancho ochiba be include in the tancho class?
    If yes, will suggest :ALL Tancho including ALL Ginrin Tancho.
    Q.on 7. Hikari
    Doitsu ( ?)not a type of koi but term use for mirror koi.
    Ginginrin Hariwake =Kinginrin Hariwake? If it is ginrin a koi, then should be under the Kin-Gin-Rin class.(except ginrin tancho)

    Just some suggestion to avoid confuse...........
    Aaron
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  • M_ZAINM_ZAIN October 2010
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    Bro Aaron,

    Ngam loh....
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    M. Zain
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  • PatrickChongPatrickChong October 2010
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    aiya..
    then i need to source a lot of china doll come d loh,
    taiwanese or korean can boh?
    Korean 's wonder girls, ok boh?
  • BenjaminGohBenjaminGoh October 2010
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    later they sing. "i want nobody nobody but patrick chong" lerrr.. hahahah!
  • PatrickChongPatrickChong October 2010
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    haha...
    i need to handle 5 girls woh..
    erm,..... usually like that de lah...
  • megatronmegatron October 2010
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    Don't ask me why!!!
  • M_ZAINM_ZAIN October 2010
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    Aiyooo.....Jumbo Tosai Ben...Time to Sleep, 2morrow got School leh...

    Don't Campur Adult Talks mah...
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    M. Zain
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  • AndySittAndySitt October 2010
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    Yah Jumbo Ben.. Legal age in Malaysia is 16.. Else can go to jail.. When reach 16 can get you Wondergirls..
  • AaronGohAaronGoh October 2010
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    Any idea legal age in Japan? Will sent him to Japan soon.........
    Aaron
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  • Denn7Denn7 October 2010
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    Or jumbo girls.....
  • M_ZAINM_ZAIN October 2010
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    Ooh...Japan is 8....now he's over Aged...hahaha
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  • ShukriShukri October 2010
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    If you have 362236, I oso want to join........
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  • M_ZAINM_ZAIN October 2010
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    Aiyoo....Bro Shukri...you're Expired Age loh....
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  • AndySittAndySitt October 2010
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    1) adik
    2) Abang Daniel Chew
    3) ah boy Andy Sitt
    4)Tosai Tategoi Ben. xD
    5) Dr. & Ir....
    6) Tan Sri Denning - nothing to show san
    7) Shukri Saad - 362236
    8) Robert
    9) James
    10) Aaron
    11) Daniel Lee
    12) Alan Yap & Wife ( Dr.&.Ir's friend - they help in MKS & Mini KS, Penang )
    13) Seng Choon
    14) Paul Hooi

    shh he will be back !!! he's watching.. I think since Sam say will pau, Paul will join the gang!! Kidding bro!!
  • Shinkokai+MalaysiaShinkokai Malaysia October 2010
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    Dear Koi Kichis,

    There will be an addition of a 'Super Baby Champion' category whereby the Kokugyo Winners of 12bu, 15bu and 20bu will be considered for this 'Super Baby Champion' prize.

    As such the 'Baby Champion' will be selected from Kokugyo winners from 25bu, 30bu and 35bu. This will ensure a more level playing field amongst the smallest 3 sizes.

    We wish everyone happy koi hunting and look forward to your entries into the 1st Shinkokai Malaysia Koi Show.

    Shinkokai Malaysia
  • PatrickChongPatrickChong October 2010
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    then my Bekko got chance d...
    hehe
  • AndySittAndySitt October 2010
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    :-E
  • megatronmegatron October 2010
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    Don't ask me why!!!
  • AaronGohAaronGoh October 2010
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    Aaron
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  • megatronmegatron October 2010
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    Hi, May organizer consider re-schedule the departure time from 9am to 10am at the respective station on 7 Jan 2011? 9am may not be ideal because of the traffic jam at LDP and Cheras area. I believed many may not be able to make it on time.
    Don't ask me why!!!
  • bibikoibibikoi October 2010
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  • AndySittAndySitt October 2010
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    Wah all also can arrange ah? Then organizer also arrange to have 2 sexy Av girls to accompany us all to the show??
  • bibikoibibikoi October 2010
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    can.... you sure two enough for you? :p
  • snowlionsnowlion October 2010
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  • ThiamHwaThiamHwa October 2010
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    List of Volunteers

    1) adik
    2) Abang Daniel Chew
    3) ah boy Andy Sitt
    4) Tosai Tategoi Ben. xD
    5) Dr. & Ir....
    6) Tan Sri Denning - nothing to show san
    7) Shukri Saad - 362236
    8) Robert
    9) James
    10) Aaron
    11) Daniel Lee
    12) Alan Yap & Wife ( Dr.&.Ir's friend - they help in MKS & Mini KS, Penang )
    13) Seng Choon
    14) Paul Hooi
    15) Jerome
    16) ThiamHwa
    17) ...............
    18) ...............
  • ShukriShukri October 2010
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    Bro Sam,
    Do you think it is OK if we are to come up with the list here i.e. in terms of the tanks we want to book? Also we will indicate who we would like to book the tanks from and whether we will be sending our fishes through them. What do you think? If it is OK, I will start the list here........
    Waiting for your green light.......
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    Post edited by Shukri at 2010-10-21 08:51:25 am


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